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NewAge Tuning Roots Blower FAQ

Discussion in 'V6 Mustang Articles' started by Jester4Kicks, Jun 19, 2004.

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  1. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills New Member

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    Ken,

    I just finished redoing the website content. I need a complete of list of your mods to determine what you need.

    A. you can buy a Base Kit -> manifold and fuel rail and rebuilding service for $900. Get used 30lb/hr injectors, GT maf and 190lph fuel pump for about $200.
    Blower core will run $100 or so. Main expense will be dyno-tuning. Now, sense you will need to swap heads, get belt and a UDP crank, that will add another 200-300.

    B. Base Kit, Remanifacturing, Fuel and ECC upgrade package, split port heads, UDP crank pulley and belt will set you back $2K. But thats a 300+hp turn key system.

    BTW, I found various size blower pulleys so if you have 99+ and don't already have a UDP crank pulley, you don't need to drop $200 on one unless you want that 8rwhp.
     
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    kenbossy22 New Member

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    i have a 94 3.8 with a flowmaster exhaust and i just rebuilt the bottom end back to stock condition. (unfortunately i couldnt do some upgrades while down there to support more boost) im only looking for 210-230 hp and 300 lb ft. or so. and if you could give me a link to the site that would be very helpful thanks sk.
     
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    That price is for a 98 and down right? the price for the complete kit for the 99+ is 1200 right?
     
  4. SpeedKills

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    Well, unfortunatly the new content still needs to be uploaded to the site.

    Ken, for your goals, split port + supercharger is a bit too much. For you it would be a good idea to wait a little bit for single port to come out. In that case, you will be able to add the rebuilt supercharger for around $900 and get a set of 19lb/hr injectors and a C&L MAF to adjust for them for $200 or so. That will put you in 210hp - 300tq area.

    mesagsxbkr,

    O.k let me explain how pricing will work.

    Here is what the complete 94-98 SUPERCHARGER SYSTEM will cost:

    Manifold and Fuel Rail - $699
    Remanifactured Supercharger - $199 + $99core
    Fuel Package and Tuner - $799
    Heads and Gaskets - $199

    Total: $1999

    Fuel Package Includes:
    6 - 42lb/hr EV1 Injectors
    90mm Lightning MAF sensor
    190lph fuel pump
    SCT X-calibrator Tuner

    and normally it would cost you $1000 alone.

    I know this may sound like allot of money but your car will go from 145hp to more then 300hp. Literally, more then 2X FACTORY HP and you also have 60% more room to grow thanks to the fuel system.
     
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    thanks alot sk this really helped me figure out what im doin. Whenever the site is done let me know and keep me posted as to when the single port will be ready. thanks again.
     
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    so the pre99 kit is 1900, how much for the 99+ models?
     
  7. SpeedKills

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    fasteach, complete kit, including:

    Carbon Fiber Flat Top Intake Manifold
    Fuel Rail
    Eaton M90 Supercharger
    Throttle body
    Bosch by-pass valve
    6 - 39lb/hr EV5 Injectors
    90mm Lightning MAF sensor
    310lph fuel pump
    SCT X-calibrator Tuner
    Coolant Hoses
    Gaskets
    Hardware

    is

    $1699

    The that fuel upgrade package costs $1000 anywhere else, so you are basickly getting the kit and rebuilt supercharger for $699.

    BUT "NOTE" that because of the type of fuel system 99+ have, we could run lower boost with just a chip and fuel pump. So basicly $1299 would be for the low-psi kit.
     
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    LSUcheer Just a 6

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    How much is it if we have the maf the fuel pump and the injectors?
     
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    do you do installs?
     
  10. SpeedKills

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    Well, if you want to drive to KC, I am sure Craig would be willing to do it, but I can arrange a install at your local speedshop. Thanks.
     
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    FacelessUnknown eeew spiders

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    How low would the psi be with this option? any hp estimates at the lower psi?
     
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    knife13 V6 Whore

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    The ROT (rule of thumb) is basically add 5% to HP for each pound of boost.
    Assume driveline loss as a constant, not a percentage.

    SO: If stock HP is 190 and your RWHP is 160,
    7# boost is 35% so add 66.5 HP to you BHP and
    you RWHP figures, which would be 256.5 BHP
    and at the rear wheels it would be 226.5 RWHP.
     
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    RGR is right. It will be about that much. I will have to look at CFM graph for M90 to determine what kind of power it will make.

    Good news, its possible that price of the kit will drop by $100 to $1599, but you will need to send us your stock MAF or just a junk one.
     
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    We might get a nicer bump than that, it could be that whatever torque gain it
    generates at the peak could turn into a similar ft-# gain at the HP peak and
    actually deliver a substantially larger HP gain than normal SC setups :) But
    don't get excited yet, I'm crystal-balling this one because that is how these
    SPI engines work out on the torque-horsepower relationship. The torque gained
    from a cam translates directly into a HP gain nearly equivalent to the peak
    torque gain, or actually greater with a cam change. Cam and SC for these
    setups = Killer Street V6 cuz it should easily pull to 6k and possibly more!
    Any SC responds like this, but this combo of instant boost and SPI flexibility
    should generate a torque curve flatter and broader than the Bonneville Salt Flats :cool:

    But we will see, like I said I'm just crystal-balling it here :lol:

    Give me a torque peak increase estimate SK and I can generate some
    good guesstimates. These engines basically make flat torque from
    just under 3K to just over 5K with a stock cam, and with a regrind
    like I have been doing it peaks @ 3K and carries to 6K, the RWTq
    drops a bit but that is due to increasing driveline losses, BTq remains
    nearly flat from 3K to 6K but RWTq is ~90% of peak @ 6K with
    UDP and Boltons so we can get a good idea of what to expect.

    Blowers increase airflow and RPM range, so a good cam will
    go to 6K pretty easy. Most of the SPI-style cams based on the "theory"
    pull well up to 5700-5800 so adding boost should go well over 6K.
    The springs specced will be up to the task as well, having 30-40%
    more seat pressure. This will handle the boost and the RPM.
     
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    PS: Guys, I'd keep the stock gearing like SK and the boys said, (3.27)
    or at least don't get crazy with gears. Most guys with 3.45's and 3.73's
    will be fine, especially if they have the auto. Don't change gears back to
    stock, but WAIT AND SEE if you like the stock gears before you spend $$$
    on new gears. Now, T-Lok will be a great thing to have in any event, as
    the small block type torque will be burning the one tire to shreds :)
     
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    so you are basickly getting the kit and rebuilt supercharger for $699. -- What is the kit refering to? Everything except sct tuner, fuel injectors, maf, and fuel pump? What happens if I didnt need the m90 to be rebuilt. Could I just purchase the kit for $500

    What throttle body are you using?


    Thanks
    Derek
     
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    Nope, I was reffering to the retail cost of all those components.
     
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    Speedkills, been thinking alot since our last discussion and I've come up with more questions (sorry :( ) pertaining to the cobra blower option.

    1: For those of us with prexisting MAF,will we need to get a new MAF to go with our new injectors or can we have our MAF's recalibrated?
    2: Will our CAI's need to be modified to work? (checking on this one myself)
    2.a. If the CAI couple will not work, will you offer a CF coupler that will work?
    3: Are the 42lb injecors really needed, b/c they seem like a bit much for anything less than 300rwhp.
    4: Can you port a Cobra blower if it is sent to you, how much would this cost, and would it be worht the $?
    5: Would a P&P TB and plenum be worth the $
    6: Do you supply a plenum bracket for the cruise control/throttle cable?
    7: Could you have the blower polished on the outside? Chromed?
    8: Is it possible to upgrade to a KB blowzilla down the road?
     
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    Mike, can you add these to separate section of FAQ?

    1. You will need to ether re-program the maf to factory specks of 80mm Cobra unit, sell the 80 Pro-M unit and buy 80mm Cobra or get your local SCT tuner to re-dyno tuner your car. Second option will be the cheapest.

    2. Geting a stock intake off a cobra would be the best choice because that is the first thing cobra guys replce, I know a forum where I am sure you can one for really cheap.

    a. If you send us your blower and a throttle body, we can ingrate them together to work with factory V6 CAI.

    3. Well, the point of using the m112 is that it big enough to produce up to 500rwhp, so it would make sense to have fuel system to be capable of supporting atleast 300rwhp, which is reasonable for 3.8L.

    4. The cobra blower can exceed 850cfm, which is more then 600hp so porting it won't make any difference on a v6.

    5. No, the factory cobra TB and plenum are more then sufficent for a 3.8L.

    6. We can certainly furnish that.

    7. Yea, but polishing would be the best choice sense the supercharger has to be dissasmbled for chroming or powdercoating.

    8. Instead of KB Blowzilla, which is a 2.2L AR supercharger, it would be a more cost-effective to purchase a "non-KB" AR 2.2L supercharger, which will can fit to the manifold.
     
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