Nikko, Makato, Dark40s religious discussion thread

[Makoto]

One of the reasons people always disagree with you is because you ignorantly attack (not invalidate) other opinions, like you have done here. That is why people disagree with you, not because you are proposing cutting edge social theory, but because you think that somehow this situation has anything to do with being a coward.

or you guys just get butthurt because i dont bother with beating around the bush. this is a good example of someone asking a legit question wondering if they overstepped their bounds and you twisting what i said JUST enough to make it look like i said the guy (or anyone) was being a coward. when the reality is that ALL i said was "i'd rather err on the side of looking out for people than err on the side of cowardice." which means that i'd rather go out of my way to protect the people i love even if it means looking dumb rather than being apathetic about their situation when i SHOULD have done something.

this always starts with you guys not reading properly, then the sackriders hop on the bandwagon of responding to what they think i said instead of actually reading and thinking on their own. that's really just the nature of forums so its whatever but doing what you did (attacking something i didn't even say) is the real problem.

p.s. i'm fully aware that my views aren't new. i dont try to be cutting edge, i try to be truthful.

 

[Dark40]

or you guys just get butthurt because i dont bother with beating around the bush. this is a good example of someone asking a legit question wondering if they overstepped their bounds and you twisting what i said JUST enough to make it look like i said the guy (or anyone) was being a coward. when the reality is that ALL i said was "i'd rather err on the side of looking out for people than err on the side of cowardice." which means that i'd rather go out of my way to protect the people i love even if it means looking dumb rather than being apathetic about their situation when i SHOULD have done something.

this always starts with you guys not reading properly, then the sackriders hop on the bandwagon of responding to what they think i said instead of actually reading and thinking on their own. that's really just the nature of forums so its whatever but doing what you did (attacking something i didn't even say) is the real problem.

p.s. i'm fully aware that my views aren't new. i dont try to be cutting edge, i try to be truthful.

It has less to do with being butthurt and more to do with you not being intelligent enough to demonstrate what you are saying.

 

[Makoto]

It has less to do with being butthurt and more to do with you not being intelligent enough to demonstrate what you are saying.

what, you want me to draw it in crayon for you? PROTIP: there are other words on this page. try reading those, too.

 

[Dark40]

we live in a culture that is trained to just watch bad crap go down and do nothing because "its none of my business". well maybe but i'd rather err on the side of looking out for people than err on the side of cowardice.

what, you want me to draw it in crayon for you? PROTIP: there are other words on this page. try reading those, too.

Why are you so obstinate and stiff necked? I was trying to give you a pointer. I read all of those, too. You did not demonstrate how you can be a coward in this situation. That means your comments are not intelligent. Pro tip: google logic 101 or try to act like you have reasoning skills of at least an 8 year old.

 

[Makoto]

Why are you so obstinate and stiff necked? I was trying to give you a pointer. I read all of those, too. You did not demonstrate how you can be a coward in this situation. That means your comments are not intelligent. Pro tip: google logic 101 or try to act like you have reasoning skills of at least an 8 year old.

or, ya know, you're wrong and should see post #25 or answer my questions about who staying out of it is protecting.

or you could just call me dumb without demonstrating why i'm dumb at all.

 

[Makoto]

I understand what you're saying, but you can't really be looking out for everyone all the time. People need to make their own choices and deal with the consequences.
I do dumb **** constantly but I'd be pissed off if my friends always made it their business to point me in the right direction.

Offering advice is one thing, but back off when it's clear your involvement is unwanted.

well yeah, you can't look out for everyone all the time but i'm not suggesting we do. if we all looked out for the people around us nobody would need to look out for everyone, right? i'd bet that if you had a friend that called you on the dumb crap you do in order to protect you from stuff while it might bug you in the moment you'd be thankful for it later because ultimately you'd know that your buddy was just looking out for you.

thats reasonable right?

 

[Makoto]

Wait what?
That last sentence makes no sense. Besides that point, you advocating that it's ok to get into others business to protect them, and then say you're not suggesting that...which side do you take?

okay, if you and everybody else just took care of the people around you collectively everyone would be taken care of so nobody would need to try to take care of everyone on their own.

its like this. think of welfare as one entity (the govt) trying to fix a problem. well, if we as citizens (individually) helped people around us (small groups) then collectively they wouldn't really need welfare to support them because the job would be done.

No, I'd probably be pissed that he/she is always in my business.

I understand the logic behind it, but minding one's business is also a strong part of a friendship. Most people don't appreciate those that don't respect their privacy, it' just a part of our culture.

im not talking about always being in someone's business or not respecting their privacy. its like this if my best friend makes it known to me that he wants to run away from his kid and start a new life should i respect his decision and support his foolishness OR tell him that he needs to man up, put on a helmet, and stop being a coward? see, since i know him i know that he's just trying to numb a symptom not cure the disease. im not suggesting being a busy body at all im simply suggesting that we don't put a cork in it because we are afraid it might rock the boat a little.

real love has a ferocity to it and actively works to protect the objects of that love.

 

[nikko]

its not jumping into anything. its asking the ONE objective person in the situation a single question that is either HARMLESS or ENLIGHTENING. its comforting to know that you're such a good friend and neighbor. real big heart you got there, buddy.

MAKOTO SAVES

(whether you want him to or not)

 

[Makoto]

That is something so basic that it is insulting to the intelligence of those that would hear him explaining how language can be used to pass judgment.

you've continually made it a habit of attacking ideas that i don't hold and never conveyed or questions that i have not asked. are you training for some kind of futility marathon?

 

[eric1997]

hey man, passing judgment on people you don't know is part of what makes religion so great.

 

[Dark40]

could you please explain to everyone reading this how asking a singular question is passing judgment?

That is something so basic that it is insulting to the intelligence of those that would hear him explaining how language can be used to pass judgment.

you've continually made it a habit of attacking ideas that i don't hold and never conveyed or questions that i have not asked. are you training for some kind of futility marathon?

What is futile is arguing with someone as inane as you. If you do not believe that sentences are expressed through language then there truly is no hope for you. Take a look around, do you honestly believe everyone attacks your thoughts because they are out to get you, or are your beliefs just actually that ****ing stupid? Dialogue with you honestly does remind me of the Westboro folk, and at best you have the reasoning skills of an uneducated southern baptist who is force fed everything and then hopes to force feed to others. You are a ****ing moron.

For reiteration, sentences = language. Alarming that this needs to be typed out to an adult.

 

[Makoto]

What is futile is arguing with someone as inane as you. If you do not believe that sentences are expressed through language then there truly is no hope for you. Take a look around, do you honestly believe everyone attacks your thoughts because they are out to get you, or are your beliefs just actually that ****ing stupid? Dialogue with you honestly does remind me of the Westboro folk, and at best you have the reasoning skills of an uneducated southern baptist who is force fed everything and then hopes to force feed to others. You are a ****ing moron.

For reiteration, sentences = language. Alarming that this needs to be typed out to an adult.

so basically what you're saying is that you have zero understanding of why a question is different from a declarative statement?

Wow. you're brilliant. pure genius. why don't you start pushing to remove question marks from the english language? oh wait, i just used another one. darnit.



here's what you're saying in the simplest terms:

me: im allergic to cheeseburgers
you: you're allergic to all food?
me: no im allergic to cheeseburgers, cheeseburgers are not all food
you: so you're saying you ARE allergic to food. wow, you're an idiot.
me: facepalm

/scene


normally i wouldn't bother with explaining something so ridiculous but it was just too funny to pass up.

 

[nikko]

We are Makoto. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.

 

[nikko]

as someone else already pointed out there are no shades of gray. only the illusion of such.

How easy it must be to live in such a cut and dry world. I'm almost envious of someone that can suspend disbelief to the point of being able to categorize everything into "right" or "wrong" without a second thought.

 

[nikko]

who's going to just go "well nothing has technically happened so its whatever at least he's physically with me"?

I don't expect you to get this because everything in your mind is binary, but nobody ever even hinted at this. Of course the vast majority of people would (and should) be upset about emotional infidelity.

That doesn't mean that the vast majority of people would (or should) treat it the same as physical infidelity. The vast majority of normal, rational people can learn to forgive and work beyond an emotional breach of trust - where as crossing the line and hopping on the bologna pony tends to be a less forgivable offense in human nature.

 

[Makoto]

How easy it must be to live in such a cut and dry world. I'm almost envious of someone that can suspend disbelief to the point of being able to categorize everything into "right" or "wrong" without a second thought.

despite your parody and oversimplification of that facts i will say that while it isn't easier in the short term it certainly does help life to be better and maybe easier in the long term due to avoiding so much folly.

I don't expect you to get this because everything in your mind is binary, but nobody ever even hinted at this. Of course the vast majority of people would (and should) be upset about emotional infidelity.

im glad we can at least agree on something. its wrong even by your moral relativism because it hurts someone else.

That doesn't mean that the vast majority of people would (or should) treat it the same as physical infidelity. The vast majority of normal, rational people can learn to forgive and work beyond an emotional breach of trust - where as crossing the line and hopping on the bologna pony tends to be a less forgivable offense in human nature.

of course it shouldn't be treated as the same thing because it isn't the same thing. what i actually said was that the action has the same original starting point. cheating on your wife is just emotional adultery full blown.

either way the response is pretty much the same: love and forgiveness. how that works itself out could be a billion different ways but all of them should be rooted in love.

 

[Dark40]

How easy it must be to live in such a cut and dry world. I'm almost envious of someone that can suspend disbelief to the point of being able to categorize everything into "right" or "wrong" without a second thought.

It is a shame how Immanuel Kant has influenced the religious right. His thinking is the foundation of why the religious right thinks our world is black and white.

 

[Makoto]

It is a shame how Immanuel Kant has influenced the religious right. His thinking is the foundation of why the religious right thinks our world is black and white.

I've never heard of that guy. I'm a big fan of Jesus, though.

 

[Dark40]

I've never heard of that guy. I'm a big fan of Jesus, though.

Most "Christians" have no idea why they believe what they do. You are no exception, especially if you don't know who Kant is.

That is like an astro physicist not knowing who Stephen Hawking is.

 

[Domingo]

It is a shame how Immanuel Kant has influenced the religious right. His thinking is the foundation of why the religious right thinks our world is black and white.

I've never been able to read his name and not think "immoral ****." I'm not sure if that's a bad thing though.