Restomod - 3.7 into a '66 stang fast back

falconguy

Member
Wanted to know if anyone here might have dimensions for the spacing of the motor mounts on the new 3.7? Also, is the engine as wide as all the mod motors from Ford and are the bell housings the same as bell housing for the 5.0 motor? Will I run into computer issues not having all the sensors that newer mustang has?

Will I be able to put a T5 on to this engine or try to shoe horn a newer 6 speed into the tranny tunnel of my '66?

Thank you all in advance.
I put my 3.7 V6 into a 1961 Falcon and yes, I did have to fabricate new motor mounts. You should not have had to cut the tunnel. I put mine in without modifications. It was close though.

I've done over 15 V-8 conversions into the Falcons over the years. A typical conversion with a 302 and C-4 will cross the scales at 2800+ lbs. With fuel injection one should be able to get 20-21 mpg. However, I calculate that with the V6 I'll weigh in at low 2,700 lbs and get up to 36 mpg.
 

Gareth

New Member
I would really like to see pics of that 61 falcon falconguy, got any?
Is it running and how is it working out?
I have a 62 falcon ranchero, I am thinking of swapping a 3.7 with trans from a newer f-150 in it, and a 8.8 rearend from a late model bronco.
 

falconguy

Member
I have the 3.7L in my ford falcon. The stock ford motor mounts will not work. You will have to fabricate shorter mounts in order to fit between the frame rails. I used a mustang II coil over kit to eliminate the shock towers. I had to significantly modify the kit by notching it to give clearance for the oil pan. The width of the engine appears to be close to that of a 351-W conversion. I have the 6R80 6 speed automatic transmission and it fits tightly into the transmission tunnel. Tightly but fits! The stock exhaust manifolds clear quite nicely and I may end up using them. If I could be convince that a set of BBK headers would fit I would use them.

There are about 8 different computers used on this engine. I didn't have the VIN# of the original car so I'm having to wing it on computers. I'll flash the computer if I have problems.
I would really like to see pics of that 61 falcon falconguy, got any?
Is it running and how is it working out?
I have a 62 falcon ranchero, I am thinking of swapping a 3.7 with trans from a newer f-150 in it, and a 8.8 rearend from a late model bronco.
 

falconguy

Member
I tried to post pictures as an attachment from my picture site but the site asks for my url help me and I'll get some pics out.
 

Brent

Owner
Staff member
I tried to post pictures as an attachment from my picture site but the site asks for my url help me and I'll get some pics out.
To post pictures you must have the pictures saved to your computer. See the screen shot below for the button to push:

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Once you hit the Upload a File button you can browse to where your pictures are saved and then choose them to upload.
 

falconguy

Member
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Needed to reduce pixels. Ok You can see that I had to open up the fender for the cold air intake. I'll get some more recent pictures.

The facts: the falcon has the coil over mustang II kit. The stock motor mounts are far too wide for the falcon, I had to make my own mounts. The transmission is a tight fit but it fits. I trimmed some of the tabs that protruded in order to make sure there was room. The mustang II cross brace had to be cut and boxed in order to clear the pan. I cut the fender well on the other side in order to place the computer and I'll do the same for the battery. A 302 would be a much easier conversion but there is satisfaction in being one of the first. This is not a conversion for the faint of heart. A lot of things are really, really good about this engine but there is a learning curve. For example, the lower intake manifold is plastic and the heater outlet uses the quick connect fitting AND it is right in the way of the stock falcon heater outlets. I'm too timid to try the cut and weld since the intake is plastic. On the other hand Super Six Motorsports will port the lower manifold for a 55 CFM increase in flow.
 

Echonan

Active Member
Did this build die? I have yet to see a single person anywhere on the internet who has swapped a 3.7 into ANYTHING successfully. I'm really hoping somebody somewhere has done it and can give me pointers.
 

falconguy

Member
$4500 could have been a built 302 and plenty of cash to spare. different isn't always better...
I've had several conversions. Biggest was a 427 into a 1962 Falcon. Several were both carb and FI. I will tell you that the little V6 will outperform the older v8's and the frosting on the cake is that I'm getting nearly 33 mpg. For me, different has proven much better.
 

falconguy

Member
Wanted to know if anyone here might have dimensions for the spacing of the motor mounts on the new 3.7? Also, is the engine as wide as all the mod motors from Ford and are the bell housings the same as bell housing for the 5.0 motor? Will I run into computer issues not having all the sensors that newer mustang has?

Will I be able to put a T5 on to this engine or try to shoe horn a newer 6 speed into the tranny tunnel of my '66?

Thank you all in advance.
Your 66 Mustang has very close to the same engine compartment dimensions as my 61 Falcon. It can be done but can't with the stock shock towers. You will have to install a mustang II front suspension (not a bad idea anyway) The front cross member will have to be notched. The SR80 transmission fits quite well. You may want to trim some of the ears for additional clearance and the trans motor mount has got to be removed and a new one fabricated. If you can weld and fabricate some the motor mounts will come off of the frame and donut mounts used as in the earlier cars. I saved weight with the installation. My 62 with the small block and automatic transmission weighed 2,940 lbs. My 3.7 conversion into my 61 falcon weighs 2,840 lbs. Before I dyno tuned for maximum power I was getting +32 mpg

Hope this helps. This is not the easiest conversion but it is the most rewarding.
 

falconguy

Member
Wanted to know if anyone here might have dimensions for the spacing of the motor mounts on the new 3.7? Also, is the engine as wide as all the mod motors from Ford and are the bell housings the same as bell housing for the 5.0 motor? Will I run into computer issues not having all the sensors that newer mustang has?

Will I be able to put a T5 on to this engine or try to shoe horn a newer 6 speed into the tranny tunnel of my '66?

Thank you all in advance.
I have installed a 2012 3.7L into a 1961 Falcon. Your 1966 mustang will be nearly an identical installation. The bell housings are not the same. Unless you like shifting, throw the T-5 away and go with the 6R80 that comes with the V6. If some of the ears are cut on the transmission it fits without any modifications other than the transmission mount.
 

falconguy

Member
Wanted to know if anyone here might have dimensions for the spacing of the motor mounts on the new 3.7? Also, is the engine as wide as all the mod motors from Ford and are the bell housings the same as bell housing for the 5.0 motor? Will I run into computer issues not having all the sensors that newer mustang has?

Will I be able to put a T5 on to this engine or try to shoe horn a newer 6 speed into the tranny tunnel of my '66?

Thank you all in advance.
The SR80 transmission fits with minimal alteration and it is programmable . The newer mustang 3.7L..are getting better times in the 1/4 plus better mileage.
 

falconguy

Member
You can go to my website where I have been posting pictures of my project. It is in its early stages. I am starting to think that it will not be doable unless I can hack the pcm to delete some of the sensors that will not be used on the '66.

Web site is ak66stang.com
The only thing you will need to address is to bypass the PATS (Passive Automotive Theft System) You may be able to send the ECU out or just obtain the transponder key and coil and wire those in. I was going to do that which I could have hidden for a good theft deterrent but there simply wasn't enough room.
Go to my garage for the pictures.
 

falconguy

Member
The 3.7L will fit but the stock mustang shock towers will have to be eliminated and an aftermarket MustangII put in. The mustang II will, or should have, a notch in the cross brace to clear the oil pan. There should be slightly more room in the mustang than in the falcon.
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I am really excited to hear how this is going. I would really like to put one of these engines in a kit hot rod I'm am starting to build. The 3.7 meets my requirements perfectly lightweight, small, and great horsepower. Not to mention better mileage and more cost effective than a Coyote!!

My big question is how are you handling the electronics for it? Are there any guides, documentation, or purchasable harnesses? Also how different is the mount location? I have it currently configured for a 4.6/5.0 but not sure what to expect with the 3.7
I would really like to see pics of that 61 falcon falconguy, got any?
Is it running and how is it working out?
I have a 62 falcon ranchero, I am thinking of swapping a 3.7 with trans from a newer f-150 in it, and a 8.8 rearend from a late model bronco.
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falconguy

Member
I would really like to see pics of that 61 falcon falconguy, got any?
Is it running and how is it working out?
I have a 62 falcon ranchero, I am thinking of swapping a 3.7 with trans from a newer f-150 in it, and a 8.8 rearend from a late model bronco.
I've osted at picture and yes it is running. The conversion exceeded my expectations. It is a very tight fit. The mustang II must be installed and there must be a notch in the crossmember to clear. You will have to fabricate your own motor mounts. You will need a returnless fuel system. Aeromotive makes an in-tank fuel pump that works well . Keep the wiring from the F-150. You will need the fuel pump modulator, smart junction box, battery junction box and ecu to complete the change. The ecu will have to be flashed to eliminate the auto theft system. Call Art at wire diet and he can fill you in on the electrical needs.
 

falconguy

Member
I have a 2012 3.7L V6 installed in my 1961 Falcon. If it fits in the Falcon, it'll fit in the Mustang. You will have to disable the PATS and you will need the battery junction box and smart junction box. Use the electrical throttle control from the donor car...fits right in and no linkage to mess around with. I'm surprised you have transmission tunnel problems! Mine fit right in but I had to remove the small ears cast into the transmission. The stock falcon transmission cross member and supporting brace had to be removed. I initially had problems with the SR80 shifting but later learned at the dyno shop that this transmission can be programmed and that it "learns" how you drive. After dyno tuning the engine produces ~327 flywheel hp. This is at > 4,000ft. elevation. On two initial tests through the mountains I averaged 32.4 MPG and on a third test in flatter land it got over 35 mpg. In all, the Falcon weighs a couple of pounds over 2,800 lbs.

You can expect similar results with your early mustang.
 

Randy Beals

New Member
Hello, today is my first day and this thread is the reason I joined the site. I realize the age of this thread, but I was hoping to see if anyone else has done what i am doing. I have a 67 Fastback and I am putting the 3.7 w auto into the car. I rescued the ole car and want something different than everyone else with good power and good mpg. I have everything fit into the car and i have the factory harness, computer, accelerator pedal, bcm, key, steering column, instrument cluster etc. I am about to start the wiring process. I think it would be crazy to have this old car with all of the modern capabilities. any and all help is appreciated. I have already built the mounts, raised the tranny tunnel and installed M2 front suspension.
 

Randy Beals

New Member
I have a 2012 3.7L V6 installed in my 1961 Falcon. If it fits in the Falcon, it'll fit in the Mustang. You will have to disable the PATS and you will need the battery junction box and smart junction box. Use the electrical throttle control from the donor car...fits right in and no linkage to mess around with. I'm surprised you have transmission tunnel problems! Mine fit right in but I had to remove the small ears cast into the transmission. The stock falcon transmission cross member and supporting brace had to be removed. I initially had problems with the SR80 shifting but later learned at the dyno shop that this transmission can be programmed and that it "learns" how you drive. After dyno tuning the engine produces ~327 flywheel hp. This is at > 4,000ft. elevation. On two initial tests through the mountains I averaged 32.4 MPG and on a third test in flatter land it got over 35 mpg. In all, the Falcon weighs a couple of pounds over 2,800 lbs.

You can expect similar results with your early mustang.
I was wondering if you were still on the site. I would enjoy talking to you about your falcon conversion i am doing one in a 67 fstbck.
 
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